39 Comments
author

Brad, thanks for thanking me for being open to the idea, but thank YOU for suggesting the style of collab we've ended up doing. I think your biog notes and expertise have really enhanced the original article by giving it colour and depth I simply do not have the knowledge to provide. My aim was to convey my love of jazz and hopefully in the process inspire others to take it up. Your annotations or, as I like to think of them, footnotes, have given us connections some of us would not otherwise have known about, so thank you!

Expand full comment

Jazz is a ‘state of mind’. I’ve heard the same said of being English, but probably not in the best sense of the phrase! Steely Dan’s 1977 track from Aja, ‘Deacon Blues’, discusses (at least that’s my interpretation) this exact topic (not being English), about Jazz being interwoven inseparably indelibly into the fabric of a true jazz musician’s life. Where success is not measured by airplay, or record sales, or fan base, it’s about living jazz, being present, in the moment, in that subterranean jazz dive at 2a.m., when those cats really start to play, it’s about being there, and being totally gone... lost in Jazz... freed by jazz...

At least, that’s the poetic dream.

Great format, guys, I loved the piece and the comments, as always, got me thinking...

Expand full comment
author

Glad you liked it, Nic! It was a fun one to do, of course, and Terry was so giving in being open to the very notion! As for our comments, I'm proud to say that FR&B has some of the most inspiring and thought-provoking commenters extant! You're certainly included in that august group, Nic! I'm hoping readers are starting to learn that some of the most riveting writing on FR&B happens "down below"!

Your mention of the elements the jazz world rarely sees is a great example!

Short of Herbie Hancock (who immediately comes to mind, and there ARE others, of course), jazzers are usually non-existent on airplay and singles sales charts, so you're right.....jazz fans have to place their value on the playing, and "place their monetary vote" for their favorite players by seeing club dates and concerts, and buying albums.

The jazz lane, for a record company, is a fascinating "beast" all by itself! The PR and marketing staves, for a jazz release, don't even consider 45-single releases (with rare exception, like the Mongo Santamaria 45, here), leaning virtually entirely on album sales, and pitching product to the dozen jazz-formatted commercial stations in the country (I'm talking '60s thru, say, '80s, of course)!

My dad (my contributions here were always meant as my tribute to him) would, quite often (even when I was underage.....he knew people!) take me to downtown Houston's La Bastille jazz club in the '60s and '70s! He came to know sax player, Arnette Cobb, very well, and would have him over to the house frequently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnett_Cobb

From DowntownHouston.org, this about the club: "Deserving special mention is La Bastille, opened in a basement at 716 Congress in 1965 by Ernie Criezis and his wife [I remember their names clearly, which makes me think they ALSO made it over to the house at some point!], Dutch chanteuse Toni Renee.

"The building is long-since demolished, but apparently it ran deep enough underground that it passed for a 'Parisian prison.' In the ‘70s La Bastille was known for bringing in jazz greats such as Dizzie Gillespie for two-week stints, but in the ‘60s the entertainment was more cabaret style.

"Renee appeared there frequently (even at lunchtime) doing songs by Piaf, Brel, and the rest of the Gallic gang. At other times the club featured acts such as Los Chamacos from Mexico City and performers who were likely to turn up on the Johnny Carson show. Carson himself did standup in La Bastille [which I never knew! That deserves a well-placed😱]!

"After a visit, What’s My Line regular Betsy Palmer said, 'There is nothing in New York that even comes close to competing with La Bastille for entertainment and atmosphere.' Comedian Jackie Mason appeared there and met with Criezis to discuss the possibility of becoming his partner."

Wow, what a trip down memory lane! Thanks again, Nic! Glad you're along!

Expand full comment
author

I ain't never heard of La Bastille -- till now. Sounds tres cool

Expand full comment
author

It's a shame that jazz doesn't get the mainstream exposure it should. We used to have a great radio prog called Jazz FM (I was even mentioned on it once cos I sent in a record request and shout-out!), but they changed their name to Smooth FM and now play pop stuff.

Expand full comment
author

Used to be college stations (in the U.S., anyway) that did the most dabbling into jazz and experimental music of varying sorts. There again, not much incentive for record labels to service those stations, but they did, and of course, the hopeful payoff would be resultant sales (even if in the hundreds instead of tens of thousands on commercial pop stations in any given market) for their jazz artists' albums.

Expand full comment

Brad, I honestly don’t know what to say, you got me, lost for words. Your comment reply is a remarkable article in itself. I want to go to La Bastille, now! Sounds like Ronnie Scott’s in a parallel universe!

Expand full comment
author

What makes that whole La Bastille experience and memories is that they were all with and about Dad! I never went by myself! I never went as a driving teen! Here's me in high school, early '70s (with driver's license)....might as well title it, "How Did Homework Ever Get Done?"

If I didn't drive (by myself) to an Astro game at the Astrodome (with occasional math, or whatever homework....baseball was like that: one could putter and look down on occasion!), I was at downtown Houston's Music Hall or Coliseum (mammoth, cavernous venue where my dad, bro and I saw a lot of wrestling bouts as jr. highers in late '60s.....remember Johnny Valentine, Wahoo McDaniel, and ex-footballer, Ernie Ladd?), seeing the touring, major rock bands, with tickets gotten free from my radio ad exec Dad!

Oh, and all THAT was if I didn't have band rehearsal with Brimstone, the rock band for whom I was lead singer/flutist! Again, how the hell did I graduate?!?🤣That Brimstone story's coming soon to Paid Subscribers only....I just noticed you're not one, Nic. Consider yourself comped, as of now! In about 5 minutes, you'll have access to all the Paywalled archives, and to the handful of Paid-only "Summer Hot-Some Are Chill" articles due this summer! Welcome aboard, Nic...you're needed here!!

Expand full comment

Thank you 🙏🏻

Expand full comment
author

You're more than welcome, Nic!

Expand full comment
author

Thanks, Nic

Expand full comment

I have to say that this post has been in and out if my thoughts all day - one thing that keeps coming up, and this is more of a question than a comment is about live music in Soho, London. I worked there in the v late 70s / v early 80s. I went to see a lot of live music, at the Marquee, at Ronnie Scott’s, at various other places. However, I remember that THE place to go, to see jazz and, let’s say we’ll know London musician’s not in the mainstream, was The Pizza Express in Soho Square. At some point a bit later it also became the go-to showcase venue for newly signed bands (Soho square was then home to some major labels). So, yes, the Pizza Express that has now become the ubiquitous franchise all over the UK. Did I make this up in my then teenage mind? Or was The Pizza Express in Soho Square really a renowned jazz venue? I even think there were some live albums recorded there, again my memory crossing wires, or true?

Expand full comment
author

Pizza Express defo, and I'm pretty sure you're right about the live recordings. I never went there myself -- too busy working and boogeying on down in discos. What an eejit. I also went the Hundred Club a couple of times. That specialised in trad jazz which I never really liked -- until I went there. Did you ever go there?

Expand full comment
author

Terry........the ball, as they say, is in your court!

Expand full comment

Yes. 100 Club, Oxford St, however I associate it with UK Punk bands and the fist wave of New Wave bands, I never saw any jazz there?! I think I went to a Northern Soul all-nighter there too, could be confusing that with somewhere else though.

Expand full comment
author

From my Texas outpost, I used to read all about the punkers haunting the 100 Club in the domestic rock press, plus I bought all three UK tabs of the day (a week later, granted, as they needed time to make the trek!), NME, Sounds, and Melody Maker!

Expand full comment
author

Melody Maker was my favorite 😃

Expand full comment
author

The punk and new wave came later. I went around '68/'69 I think 😃

Expand full comment
author

Ps I think they did do Northern soul there too sometimes

Expand full comment

The Ronnie Scott joke is good!!! Great post!

Expand full comment
author

It's so bad it's good! 🤣 Thanks Mills

Expand full comment
Jul 4, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Agreed

Expand full comment
founding
Jul 3, 2023·edited Jul 3, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Loved this piece and the collab between Terry and you! Jazz is one of my favourite genres to listen to (and sing). I guess for me my main “entrance”, so to speak, was discovering (at age 16, funnily enough, but a couple of decades later) George and Ira Gershwin’s material. Stemming from, I suspect, that Janis Joplin tape I had borrowed from my dad some years prior (at age 8 or 9, if memory serves) which I often cite as ground-breaking in my music journey. You see, that collection of songs included “Summertime”, so that was my first encounter with a Gershwin composition and with jazz more generally (that I can recall). Jazz is one of those genres that most closely resembles what I would call a “state of mind”, in the true sense of the phrase.

Expand full comment
author

You will not be surprised to learn that Herbie Mann also did Summertime -- there's a version on his Live at the Village Gate album. It gets a bit shrill in places, but for the most part it's cool. I also like the John Coltrane version, although in typical Coltrane fashion if you miss the first couple of bars it will take quite a while to realise he's playing Summertime!

"State of mind" -- a great and very apposite phrase as far as jazz and jazz musicians are concerned.

Expand full comment
founding
Jul 4, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Thanks, Terry! Just listened — I quite liked its melancholic yet relaxed vibe, if you see what I mean.

My favourite version of Summertime is sung by a friend of mine, actually. I am a little bit biased, I admit, but she’s brilliant. Link below in case anyone is interested:

https://youtu.be/ZfJ6NGnbjfQ

Expand full comment
author

very Ella-like. Love the piano too. Which version did you listen to, Andres? I mentioned two.

Expand full comment
founding
Jul 4, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Yes, true! spot on!

I listened to the one by Herbie Hancock + Joni Mitchell. Still need to check out the other one 😊

Expand full comment
author
Jul 5, 2023·edited Jul 5, 2023Author

Lol. I don't know that one. The ones I was referring to are https://youtu.be/JbWg_xKyi-M ... And this: https://youtu.be/NEftw9o1joo

Expand full comment
founding
Jul 5, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Oh I see. Thanks! Not a big fan of instrumentals (I’m all for big voices) but it’s cool. It’s got some sort of bossanova beat which gives it an interesting spin.

Expand full comment
author

Well, look at Andy, droppin' links like a scurrying sausage thief!! She's pretty impressive, dood! Methinks there ought to be an article about her in the offing...how you two met, and perhaps an interview? Inquiring minds (at least, stateside) wanna know! What a sultry and expressive delivery, and an impressive arrangement, too! Thanks for sharing Juliana with us, Andy!

Whether or not she's got actual vinyl out, Andy, please know that a spotlight on her and her music would be well within your site's parameters, if I may be so bold! Plus, I'm sure she'd appreciate the pub (and, I don't mean the one where they sell pints of ale......................necessarily)!😉🍺👍

Expand full comment
founding

Thank you, Brad!! You’re giving me tons of good ideas — cheers for that! I met her roughly 20 years ago as an obsessed fan when I was a teeanger and she was in a talent show (a la American Idol). She made it to the final but didn’t win (as is often the case with talented singers on these shows). Still, it gave her a lot of exposure and she still landed recording deals so it worked out quite well for her. She released two albums in CD format, then took a career break to raise her daughter, but we are still in touch and I know she would love to re-release her Gershwin material on vinyl. Watch this space! Thanks again for all the great ideas! Funnily enough she’s quite shy but I’ll see if I can persuade her to make an appearance in my Vinyl Room at some point :)

Expand full comment
author

Thanks for being so open and flexible, Andy! She does sound fascinating, and now I know she's got some "hooks" folks can hang their hats on for better context, etc (talent show, recording, etc).

Scratching Where I Musically Itch Dept.: "She made it to the final but didn’t win (as is often the case with talented singers on these shows)"---can you say "David Archuleta"? I've got some 50-odd potential FR&B pieces lined up in my Q....nice to see yours bulging just a tad, too!😁

Expand full comment
founding

Thanks, Brad! Yes she is, and she’s got such an interesting background as well (born in Argentina, raised in London, then moved back to Argentina in her late teens where she is still based but comes to London often).

David Archuleta was sooo good. There are so many that made it to the final few and were better than some who won! Same with X Factor.

Yes, those ‘Stack drafts are getting bulkier! 😅

Expand full comment
author

Wow, that's one hell of a parting sentence! Pardon me while I think! With the preponderance of improv in jazz, you are nothing but DEAD SPOT ON, bruh! Jazz players can gather together on a stage or in a studio, and without ever having met, or written a song, they can jam for hours just on this: "Gimme kind of a shuffle in B-flat minor....right about here!" And, they're off.

Thanks so much for liking this....I stepped out on a limb even asking Terry, and he was adventurous in saying "yes" to an outlandish ask, expending an inordinate amount of trust in my direction! I also love that you included your jazz story.

I never knew Janis sang "Summertime," but what a great way to be introduced to The Great American Songbook! One of my spirit animals (along with Brian Wilson, who collabbed extensively, but many times, didn't) is Cole Porter, who virtually never used a collaborator (nothing against George and Ira, but I always found it amazing how Porter did it all, all the time)! Plus, Cole was a fascinating chap for other reasons, as well!😉

Another reason it'd be so cool to someday meet...we could sing together!🎶Great comment, Andy.......thanks!

Expand full comment
founding
Jul 3, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Thank you, Brad! I need to explore Cole Porter’s music in more detail. Where should I start?

Yes, it would be so cool to meet and, why not, sing!

Expand full comment
author

Start by perusing his Wiki page....get to know him a bit before you dive in. You'll appreciate him that much more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cole_Porter

For an overview, too, you might want to delve more into what's known as "The Great American Songbook": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Songbook

Cole sang and recorded, as well, and in time, get to those. I wouldn't start there, though.

Your best and most thorough bet, because of their fabulous phrasing, arrangements and understanding and love of Cole, would be anybody's album (and there are dozens!) where they devote every song to Porter, i.e. "The Cole Porter Songbook"!

Gotta start with Ella (if you're not familiar, two birds with one stone....she's my favorite female singer of all time....sorry, Babs!). I'm gonna leave you with the Wiki page to read about them first; you can then find the albums on your stream of choice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Fitzgerald_Sings_the_Cole_Porter_Song_Book. She also did an "Ella Loves Cole" album.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Peterson_Plays_the_Cole_Porter_Songbook (it's instrumental, of course, but along with Duke Ellington and Count Basie, the cream of the jazz keyboard crop)!

Harry Connick, Jr. did a "True Love: A Celebration of Cole Porter"

And last, but certainly not least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinatra_Sings_Cole_Porter

There ya go, Boobie! Have fun! I'm envious......I wish I could join you in your deep-dig! I'd love to see the look of discovery on your face!😱🎶🎺🎷

Expand full comment
author

Ella -- what a beautiful voice, and lovely phrasing

Expand full comment
founding
Jul 3, 2023Liked by Brad Kyle, Terry Freedman

Thanks so much for all this info! Ella is… what can I say? Incredible doesn’t even come close!

Expand full comment